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    Saturday, August 8, 2009

    Rachel Maddow's chilling interview with Frank Schaeffer about the violent town hall meetings across this country (Video)

    Clip from 8/7/09 Rachel Maddow Show where Rachel interviews Frank Schaeffer, reformed co-founder of the anti-abortion movement, who paints a chilling picture of potential right-wing violence against President Obama and other Democratic elected leaders.

    Again, this violence WILL end up with someone getting hurt, then what Republicans?



    and Rachel on busting that "I am only a mom", but a GOP operative in Wisconsin...



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    James · 816 weeks ago

    It's good to see that someone brainwashed as much as Frank Schaeffer can come out of the fog to make such good sense. He is truly speaking as a good citizen rather than a brain-washed republican.

    And whatever he says can be believed, because he was there, helping the GOP for decades.

    I think we should all thank Frank Schaeffer with our gratitude, and possibly even by checking out his book.

    Gotta go.... time to go to the bookstore. :)
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    Nick · 816 weeks ago

    Hi! Thanks for bringing this up -- one of the worst things about all this yelling is that it's making it hard for people to learn about health care reform and the public option. I'm a big supporter of both, and you can learn more about them at my blog, publicoption.blogspot.com.
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    Matt · 816 weeks ago

    neither side is looking very good to me right now. That is, assuming that there are only two sides. On the one hand, some protesters are comparing the administration to Nazis or whatever they are saying, but Maddow and her guest are then applying the Nazi label to the protesters themselves! Unless if I missed something, they say that these protesters are like 'brownshirts' and that they are using 'Nazi tactics.'

    Also, neither of the two sides are having a very good debate about this matter. The issue at hand is not whether or not healthcare needs to be changed. it is whether or not the current bill should pass. that is the pertinent matter right now.

    This guy shouldn't use such broad strokes to paint those people who oppose what the government is doing.
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    Michael · 816 weeks ago

    Matt. While I understand what you are saying, that one should not demonize the opposition, I believe it is the duty of everyone to call out these brown-shirt-like tactics when and where they occur. It is an absolute correct parallel to make between the way that a part (the Republicans) are using uninformed voters and their own operatives to disrupt democracy in action and to make it look like they are "winning" the hearts and minds of the people, and the way the Nazis disrupted German democracy in the 1920s and 30s utilizing the same damned tactics.

    People compare Obama to Hitler and it is insane on many fronts. One of which is that Obama is a moderately progressive centrist politician. He may personally have more left-liberal leaning views, but his politics over the past few years pretty much plays down the left side of center. This was not Hitler's modus operandi at ALL. Secondly, Obama was elected; Hitler was not. Hitler was appointed to his position after his party won the plurality of votes in the election (around 30%). That's how things work in a parliamentary system. To call Obama anything like Hitler is not only ignorant and misinformed, it is devious.

    And no offense, because many many other peoples do it to, but even worse than a false dichotomy is moral relativism - this notion that because two sides hate each other that both sides are equally wrong or at fault. This is nonsense, akin to saying there are two-sides to every issue and that's some kind of "moral" reason to take the middle road. Yes there are two sides (or more) to every issue, but that does not give equal weight to both sides. Not all opinions are equal. Don't fall into that trap.

    Have a good day. :)
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    Nikolai · 815 weeks ago

    The bottom line with the healthcare issue for MOST Americans, is that it can be improved, if not improved greatly. I don't see the argument against this, unless you're a "healthcare professional", or a stockholder of a healthcare insurance company. Otherwise you are just wanting Obama to fail, and that of course is simply spite, and/or hatred. America is becoming a third world country, and apparently SOME people are profiting from this and are happy with it.
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    Matt · 815 weeks ago

    What is intriguing to me about this movement is that most Americans fail to ask themselves, honesty, who the profiteers will be if health care reform fails. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that insurance companies are not willing to let go of their accumulated power, a power that has resulted in the health care system we now have that routinely denies claims and raises premiums at will. On the other side of the debate, we have the usual corporate suspects poised and ready to swoop in and make their profit on how we reform this system. Neither is an optimal solution, but as long as the real stakeholders, the American taxpayers, are demonizing their fellow stakeholders and disrupting viable public discussion, we WILL be left to the vultures and have no say in what happens with health care reform. There are no innocents in the corporate world, they are essentially profit driven and rubbing their greedy hands together as we fight about the lies that have made their way into public discussion. As long as we argue and fight, they can quietly institute policies that line their coffers and leave us without the reform we really need. Did we learn nothing from the banking collapse? These are the same people lined up waiting to reform healthcare according to their needs, not ours.

    Here they are, have a look for yourself:
    http://www.infocastinc.com/index.php/conference/h...

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